[WheelsOfTerror]

America is humanity's Attention deficit child.

That I can definatly agree with.

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by Muzzi

The size of their aresenal of warheads own must be because they are simply attempting to compensate for something else they lack in

Well, actually our steadily decreasing nuclear arsenal is made up of what is left over from a bitter cold war with the Soviets.

[happy_bumblebee]

yeh the war that never happened....

why is it that America hasnt won any of the wars they started themselves since the Spanish American war?(the world wars you didnt join in until the end)

[Death Hand]

Originally Posted by happy_bumblebee

yeh the war that never happened....

why is it that America only lost vietnam?

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fixed.

oh never mind the fact it was the US that help keep the UK supplied with food, equipment and finally US soldiers so it wouldnt be crushed by the central powers in the first world war and by the nazis and japanese in the second. and was US military and economic power that brouhgt europe out of the destruction of the second world war and kept it Finacially strong from being another communist shithole like most of eastern europe and the soviet union. during the cold war.

[Owen Kaya]

why is it that America hasnt won any of the wars they started themselves since the Spanish American war?(the world wars you didnt join in until the end)

First Gulf War techinically. WWII does count by the way, we pretty much took on Japan by ourselves.

[SlabumniLoviets]

Originally Posted by Muzzi

America is humanity's Attention deficit child.

Couldn't have put better myself.

Originally Posted by Spammy

Well, actually our steadily decreasing nuclear arsenal is made up of what is left over from a bitter cold war with the Soviets.

A war which was built mainly on paranoia. And do you really expect US to get over any sort of war, hot or cold and go for a reduction of nuclear bombs - particularly when it is looking at a peaceful country as an adversary....

Originally Posted by Death Hand

Finacially strong from being another communist shithole like most of eastern europe and the soviet union. during the cold war.

What is so shithole about being communist? Eastern European countries were financially backward before communism came into power just like India is desperately poor despite democracy and capitalism.

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

First Gulf War techinically. WWII does count by the way, we pretty much took on Japan by ourselves.

First Gulf war was a turkey shoot as any decent country with decent military could have won with Iraq. And WW2 does not really count because after Soviet invasion of Germany and fall of Hitler counpled with fall of Mussolini, Japan lost its most powerful allies and weakened. It appealed for a conditional surrender but US wanted an unconditional one and it dropped nuclear bombs as an act of mass genocide which fulfilled the additional objective of impressing Stalin before the Yalta Conference.

[Owen Kaya]

First Gulf war was a turkey shoot as any decent country with decent military could have won with Iraq. And WW2 does not really count because after Soviet invasion of Germany and fall of Hitler counpled with fall of Mussolini, Japan lost its most powerful allies and weakened. It appealed for a conditional surrender but US wanted an unconditional one and it dropped nuclear bombs as an act of mass genocide which fulfilled the additional objective of impressing Stalin before the Yalta Conference.

What does that have to do with my argument that those were wars we won?

[SlabumniLoviets]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

What does that have to do with my argument that those were wars we won?

Do you think, technically First Gulf War is a war? It is more of a Turkey shoot. And the World War was more of a British-Russia-France victory than US.

[Zachary Gibbons]

Observation: Just because the Gulf War wasn't a "fair fight" doesn't mean America didn't win it. As to the World War... the question, if you recall, was about fights America started.

[Spammy]

Originally Posted by I'm Me

What is so shithole about being communist? Eastern European countries were financially backward before communism came into power just like India is desperately poor despite democracy and capitalism.

Well, those countries were shitholes, and they were run by communists.

Originally Posted by I'm Me

And the World War was more of a British-Russia-France victory than US.

HaHaHa, who fought a vast majority of the battles in the pacific theatre?

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Do you think, technically First Gulf War is a war? It is more of a Turkey shoot.

Yeah, but it's still a war. Hint's in the name I'd have thought.

[Lt. Kettch]

it dropped nuclear bombs as an act of mass genocide which fulfilled the additional objective of impressing Stalin before the Yalta Conference.

Tricky, seeing as the Yalta Conference finished in February 1945 but the bombs weren't dropped until early August.

[SlabumniLoviets]

Originally Posted by Lt. Kettch

Tricky, seeing as the Yalta Conference finished in February 1945 but the bombs weren't dropped until early August.

My mistake of language, I was supposed to type 'after'. It was after their loss in the Yalta Conference against Stanlin's red and his unwillingness to participate in the war against Japan that US used atomic bombs, to win a victory with Japan and also to beat Stalin at least from the ideological point of view.

Originally Posted by Spammy

Well, those countries were shitholes, and they were run by communists.

But it is not the faults of communists that these countries were shit holes as the statement above would like to imply. There is little to no logical and factual connection between the two.

[Lt. Kettch]

My mistake of language, I was supposed to type 'after'. It was after their loss in the Yalta Conference against Stanlin's red and his unwillingness to participate in the war against Japan that US used atomic bombs, to win a victory with Japan and also to beat Stalin at least from the ideological point of view.

Fair enough. I was always under the impression though that Stalin was all too eager to enter the Pacific theatre, though, and the bomb was dropped to make sure he didn't.

Well, that's one theory. There are about half a dozen others kicking around, and since Truman is long since dead we'll never know

[Owen Kaya]

Fair enough. I was always under the impression though that Stalin was all too eager to enter the Pacific theatre, though, and the bomb was dropped to make sure he didn't.

I think Russia had just entered the Pacific theater right before the unconditional surrender. It was both bombs and Russia threatening to attack the forced Japan to unconditional surrender.

But it is not the faults of communists that these countries were shit holes as the statement above would like to imply. There is little to no logical and factual connection between the two.

There has never been any real communist government, they all tend to lean towards dictatorial regimes. However, there seems to be a correlation as to the downfall of nations as they become more and more state owned.